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    thank you for your reply

    but when i edit the catalog.xml the whole tabs section vanishes

    ok after reading your reply you tell me how to edit the tabs, the problem is the template not rendering product tags within the tabs.
    <action method="addTab" translate="title" module="catalog"><alias>additional</alias><title>Additional Information</title><block>catalog/product_view_attributes</block><template>catalog/product/view/attributes.phtml</template></action>

    i understand i got to add this but what would the code be?

    also i would need to remove the old one as well so there would not be two product tags sections